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As long as I know, the basilisk is the combination of rooster head and body with snake neck and tail, that was born from an egg that a rooster laid, well, that's what I read on a book some years ago >_>

shinmusashi44, if you want to use him in the comic, you can do it.

The book you read must have been wrong. Cockatrice is the creature in your pick I can send you some links if you want.

Thanks for letting me use the character. When ever i get some free time, i'll draw him up. Have you thought up any background ideas for him?

shinmusashi44 wrote:...

Thanks for letting me use the character. When ever i get some free time, i'll draw him up. Have you thought up any background ideas for him?

Well, to be honest, I haven't thought any idea for him, but based on how he looks, I see him as a predacon spy and assassin, a sneaky character who enjoys a lot seeing his opponents' pain and suffering until they die horrible deaths at his hands, he also laughts too much for his own good, is somewhat based into Carnage, the red simbyat from Spiderman comics; he also can shoot from tso of the four beast eyes (yes, the beast has four eyes) a substance that acts like a glue that becomes as hard as stone, his tongue drips a poisonous fluid that causes numbness and severe pain, he poisons the victim with aid of his hard beak.

Hope that helps for now ^_^

And now, friends, here's my next Predacon, one more of the four mythical horses, she's a freaking insane Predacon that will use her flaming blade to cut and scrap to burning pieces all the Maximals who get in her way... Maybe she's more evil than Megatron himself (Well, that's hard to believe xD), her motto is "Death is such an exquissite sensation...", able to fly in beast mode (Though she has no wings), she tends to charge into battle without thinking it twice, not the exact kind of girl to put your confidence with, she can even slice her own allies when she gets into a killing frenzy, a thing that happens too often... Did I mention that she has a crush for Skyboom? xDDD She likes to lick her while they fight (Yeah, yeah, it's my pervert mind coming in action again xDDD, what can I do? I'm just a guy xDD)

Her alternate mode is the ferocius flaming Nightmare, her alliance is to the Predacons, her name is Dreadnought!

http://www.geocities.com/vectron_prime/Fanfic_Dreadnought.JPG

Destructor I BEG you Please make Transformation sketches of Her, PLEEAASSSSSSEE
She so simple (body shape) to be Kitbashed, She looks like a "Shell-Formers" in a way, and with FAntastic 4 (Movie) Toys being so cheap now (Target) A clear Human-torch would be easey to get a hold of, and use for Her flames.

shinmusashi44 wrote:The book you read must have been wrong. Cockatrice is the creature in your pick I can send you some links if you want.

"Basilisk" & "Cockatrice" are two names for the same creature. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/b/basilisk.html
Some more contemporary sources, such as Dungeons & Dragons have made a distinction as if the two were different creatures.

Pyroclasm wrote:

shinmusashi44 wrote:The book you read must have been wrong. Cockatrice is the creature in your pick I can send you some links if you want.

"Basilisk" & "Cockatrice" are two names for the same creature. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/b/basilisk.html
Some more contemporary sources, such as Dungeons & Dragons have made a distinction as if the two were different creatures.

Youre right and wrong at the same time. The myth started out as the Basilisk which was a snake. Then over the years it changed slowly to a roster/snake monster which is called a Cockatrice. Both myths came from the same idea but are two very different creatures. A Cockatrice is called Ccokatrice cause its part Cock(rooster)When it changed to part rooster the name changed as well. People dont call snakes a cock last time i checked. So they are 2 different creatures. So really its not 2 names for the same creature, cause the snake version was never called a Cockatrice. They would have to call it a Snakeatrice

Whether or not the name was later developed to describe the rooster-headed version isn't the point. It's still a basilisk, just as the human-headed version is also a basilisk. So if the guy wants to call his cockatrice a basilisk, he is perfectly correct in doing so. They ARE still the same creature, only different in appearance. Much like a Sasquatch, Yeti, Skunk Ape, Yowie & Bigfoot are all different names for the same creature. (And that creature too, has developed different appearances).

Pyroclasm wrote:Whether or not the name was later developed to describe the rooster-headed version isn't the point. It's still a basilisk, just as the human-headed version is also a basilisk. So if the guy wants to call his cockatrice a basilisk, he is perfectly correct in doing so. They ARE still the same creature, only different in appearance. Much like a Sasquatch, Yeti, Skunk Ape, Yowie & Bigfoot are all different names for the same creature. (And that creature too, has developed different appearances).

BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME CREATURE. They started out as the same name but over time that changed. At not point in time was a giant snake called a cockatrice. They cockatrice has become its own creature. I've been studying mythology for over 10years (which is why i stated this project) I know what im talking about. At some point in time the snake version became the rooster/dragon version and with that change, was a change in name as well. Plus all the movies and games understands that they are 2 different creatures final fantasy understands, Harry Potter understands, D&D understands even the Renaissance fairs understand. Oh and the sasquatch is a really bad example seeing as how the Sasquatch, Yeti, Big Foot and the yowie all look the same except in hair color.

But to more important things.

Destructor- This is just an idea i had the other day, and in no way am i asking you to change your character. But I was thinking about the COCKATRICE character and thought with a new head he would make a great myth version of Quickstrike. I was looking at him and all of a sudden he screamed Quickstrike to me.

Sigh. "Cockatrice" is not the name for a Plinian-style Basilisk. But Basilisk is a valid name for a Cockatrice. There are plenty of old & contemporary sources that call the rooster-headed version a basilisk.
Since the original link was ignored, here's additional links:
http://groups.msn.com/TheFinalTruthMini ... lisks.msnw
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/conker/weird- ... silisk.htm
http://webhome.idirect.com/~donlong/mon ... silisk.htm
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/art/concepts/basilisk.jpg
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/crpics/basilisk.jpg
http://www.jewelryexpert.com/catalog/Ri ... ickpin.htm
http://www.ingridschneider.de/katalog/basilisk.htm
http://www.monstrous.com/monsters/basilisk_gallery.htm

Just because Harry Potter & D&D make them separate creatures, doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

xDDDDDDDDDDD

Let's make a thing so we all end with this stuff about the basilisk and the cockatrice, okay? Just gimme a couple of days and I'll come with a basilisk Quickstrike, that way we'll have a cockatrice and a basilisk together and we can end this arguing once for all, What do you think?

I'll get into work to design that Quickstrike, though because my scanner is damaged, I can't show him until maybe next saturday, so just be patient until then, right? ^.^

But the rest of the world does. They stopped being the same creature hundreds of years ago. Things change over time It's not called a Basilisk anymore. Youre the only one that doesn't understand this.

Oh and im dropping this, cause its retarded to go on about this crap.

I don't really care what you guys end up calling it. I was just defending Destructor since he was correct in calling it a Basilisk and you were telling him he's wrong & the book he read was wrong.

But the rest of the world does. They stopped being the same creature hundreds of years ago. Things change over time It's not called a Basilisk anymore. Youre the only one that doesn't understand this.

I provided a handful of the plethora of sources easily found on Google. Obviously that is not the case.

Destructor, great job on the Basilisk. I look forward to seeing the Plinian Basilisk as well.

Pyroclasm wrote:... I was just defending Destructor since he was correct in calling it a Basilisk and you were telling him he's wrong & the book he read was wrong...

Don't worry, man, after all, it's just a name

I NEVER SAID HE WAS WRONG. And if you cant get it thought your tiny closed mind, i can lock this thread. I really don't understand how you don't understand that they WERE, note the damn word WERE, as in a long time ago, the same creature. Things change over time. All the links you posted are nothing new to me. They all talk of the creature from around before the dark ages. After the dark ages the cockatrice became its own creature. On the coat of arms that has a cock/dragon is call a cockatrice. Not a basilisk. Im sorry but for some reason you dont like change. Or maybe youre a time traveler from the Ancient Greece and doesnt know that now, no one in the world calls them the same creature. Also by your same logic a Griffn, Cockatrice, Scylla, Manticore and every other creature thats made up of more than 1 creature should be called a Chimera. Cause A LONG TIME AGO the word chimera was what you called a creature that was the parts of more than one creature. Also ALONG TIME AGO the Pegasus was only one creature and its name was Pegasus but LATER IN TIME it turned into a race of winged horses, even thoguh there never was a race of them. Heres another one, A LONG TIME AGO the devil was depicted as having alabaster skin and 6 wings but NOW DAYS people see him as having horns and goat feet. Also the Greek Kraken and Norse Kraken are 2 totally different creatures but with the same name, but people still understand they arent the same creature. Why is this stuff hard for you? Not once in my life have i ever played a game, watched a show, read a present day book, read a comic or anything else where they still call them the same creature. Plus everyone else understands this. Other people already said they are 2 different creatures. It really seems you are the only person in the world that hasnt mover on and know they are 2 differnt creatures. I mean there are some many creature that come from another that shared the same name but later got its own name. Here let me tell you how it works, The story started with it being a snake (basilisk) they made up the idea that a weasel and a rooster could easliy kill it. WelL When ever people would travel they would bring a rooster or weasel with them to fight off a basilisk.( cause in real like weasels and roosted kill snakes all the time)well over time the basilsik idea started to change like most myths. It became more rooster like( more than likely when the myth spread around it got misinterpited which happens alot with myths) So it cam mostly rooster and at some point they stateded calling it COCKATRICE. Seeing how its mostly a cock. Theres also a version of the Basilisk thats a cobra,but no one cares about that version. After it stated being used on Medieval heraldry they started calling it a cockatrice. So not they are 2 different creatures. Like a said at million other points, they WERE the same creature but NOT anymore.

Heres something i copy and pasted. I didnt change the text at all.


The cockatrice was originally described as taking the form of the basilisk, but by the 1400's the name had morphed from basilisk to basilicok to cockatrice, helped by a mention in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. This is probably where it picked up the partial attributes of a Cock, and became a different creature. In the same manner, the Basilisk originally referred to a small snake with a crest on its head (like a crown, hence the title "king") Of course, as time went on and the stories got more exaggerated, the snake got bigger and deadlier. In the Middle Ages, legends told that the basilisk could only be killed by a weasel or a cockerel, and many travelers carried these other animals in case they encountered a basilisk.
(NOTE how they use the words different creature)

And finally I will say the last on this(which i hope is)

The Basilisk- is a greek myth which it is a snake that can turn people to stone.Also Basilisk means "King of Snakes". The greeks had lots of myths on snakes.

Cockatrice-Medieval times, Changed into the cock form. But had the same power as the Basilisk.

Destructor- After thinking, the snake version would work better in the main story because of its time period. Since its more around greek times and thats where the snake basilisk started. So i could use you snake version in the main story and the Cockatrice one in the Dark Ages story. It would make more sense history wise.But keep the good ideas coming.

i have never seen the word cock used so many times in one reply i am sure theres something wrond with that




heres some finished images

Lio Sabre

Well, here's my first finished pic for this gallery!



Believe it or not; this is my first attempt at coloring a picture (at least in any great detaill anyway).



Pencils/Inks: BillyBadAss


Colors: MetalSamamon (me)




Taken from this pic:

http://billybosskeen.com/MetalSamamon/b ... ckwave.bmp



Please feel free to comment!

Thanks!

Very cool.. especially for a first-time!
I'd like to see more..!

Keep at it, too - soon you'll be learning how to draw.. then you can write, draw, and color your own stuff..!

You know, I do have some black & white drawings on my site..

.billy

love it

Finally! some new art! awesome job man.

Well, it?s the first time I join this project; This is something I did for Delta Mittani, the spanish TF forum I currently visit and it?s inspired in the mayan culture; His name is Guerrero Jade (Jade Warrior).
http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j79/Z ... RO%20JADE/
If you think it fits with the rest of the project, I?ll post his name in the char list.

Thanks.

Nice style there on the Colouring work Shin your Really Get the Hang of That

Which Reminds me i Must Get more Colourist Work Done Before i Lose Track been hectic with lots at the moment so Not had all the time i Wanted to Do The Colours and more

evilratbat wrote:Nice style there on the Colouring work Shin your Really Get the Hang of That

Which Reminds me i Must Get more Colourist Work Done Before i Lose Track been hectic with lots at the moment so Not had all the time i Wanted to Do The Colours and more

MS colored that not me.