Notes from Planned Filming of Transformers 7 in Peru Hints at a Very High Robot to Human Ratio
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Posted 15 hours agoPosted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2021 @ 12:15am CDT
Posted by Deadput on August 30th, 2021 @ 3:48am CDT
The issue in the past is partially due to many human characters just not being good or annoying which makes one tolerate their presence less, I mean from what I could tell most people didn't have a problem with Lennox and Epps in at least the first film as characters which is probably because their roles in the films usually made sense as well as not being annoying.
Not sure if I'm just being bias in this case but I did love the Lennox team stuff in the first film, the attack from Blackout and then the desert stuff with Scorponok, that stuff wasn't just enjoyable because of the Decepticons but there were some good performances (imo) from the humans in this case.
Kinda going on a tangent but I guess my point is that just because we are seeing humans here doesn't mean that the film is going to have terrible robot presence, it's not like we are going to see actual Transformers on set outside of the vehicles and maybe some head on a stick props.
Posted by First-Aid on August 30th, 2021 @ 7:44am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
This is how it is for ANY large army. It seems that in the Bumblebee movie, B127 was his original designation and the Autobot lieutenants (higher command?) seemed to have more original style and names. It was the same with the 'Cons. That was one of the main issues with the G1 cartoon...you couldn't really have a REAL war becuase all the characters were named, incorporated, and important. In war, there are losses. Imagine millions of years of the kind of violence we saw in the cartoon movie...that one movie essentially wiped ALL the main characters we knew. There needs to be disposeable troops to demonstrate the losses of war, with the lieutenants/command structure demonstrating more customized styles, and thus names rather than designations.
Posted by william-james88 on August 30th, 2021 @ 10:38am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2021 @ 10:49am CDT
They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
Posted by william-james88 on August 30th, 2021 @ 2:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.
Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.
That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
Posted by TulioDude on August 30th, 2021 @ 2:18pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.
Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.
That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
I agree with this.
Posted by Autobot N on August 30th, 2021 @ 2:19pm CDT
And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerkwilliam-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.
Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.
That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2021 @ 2:21pm CDT
He did go all stabby stabby at that one alien who just startled him in Lockdown's ship.Autobot N wrote:And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerkwilliam-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.
Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.
That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
Posted by #1 Signal Lancer fan on August 30th, 2021 @ 3:24pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
This is exactly the issue. Look at the Transformers TV series. Large or small casts of bots don't matter, what matters is the writing of the characters you choose to focus on.
There's nothing wrong with having big Decepticon armies, for example, the problem was that the robots they chose to focus on were poorly-developed and one-dimensional.
It's not about quantity or humans or quantity of robots, it's about the quality of both.
Posted by william-james88 on August 30th, 2021 @ 6:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:He did go all stabby stabby at that one alien who just startled him in Lockdown's ship.Autobot N wrote:And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerkwilliam-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They also need to have likable personalities.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.
Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".
There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.
Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.
That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
But guys, let's be frank, we turned a new leaf with the Bumblebee film. I highly doubt we will go back to the mindless inconsequential bots we got from the Bay era if the presentation the movie makers held on this film is any indication.
Then again, I did think of something. There are parts of the final act of The Last Knight where there are only 2 humans (Mark and Laura). Other characters like Isabella are in different shots, and the entire army team is on their base (along with buster Bluth). So we are going between lots of humans and lots of terrible jokes even though the central component of that scene only has 2 humans.
BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.
Posted by Autobot N on August 30th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT
There's no way this could be worse than TLK unless they do it deliberatelywilliam-james88 wrote:BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.
Posted by william-james88 on August 30th, 2021 @ 8:04pm CDT
Autobot N wrote:There's no way this could be worse than TLK unless they do it deliberatelywilliam-james88 wrote:BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 30th, 2021 @ 10:23pm CDT
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
Posted by First-Aid on August 31st, 2021 @ 9:40am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.
Posted by william-james88 on August 31st, 2021 @ 7:41pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.
Do rednecks also have scottish accents?
Posted by First-Aid on August 31st, 2021 @ 9:42pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.
Do rednecks also have scottish accents?
Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.
Posted by Sabrblade on August 31st, 2021 @ 9:49pm CDT
Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.First-Aid wrote:william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.
Do rednecks also have scottish accents?
Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.
Posted by Deadput on September 1st, 2021 @ 8:56am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.
I mean as the above photo shows, it's not even obvious from certain angles so I wouldn't consider it massive by any means.
There isn't anything of a dead-ringer to that with Roadbuster and Topspin besides the vague shape of a ballcap, Mullet and "glasses" if you want to call the visors that.
For the actual stereotype nature of the Wreckers, it's really, really tame.
Posted by First-Aid on September 1st, 2021 @ 9:43am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.First-Aid wrote:william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.
Do rednecks also have scottish accents?
Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.
Yep. I like him because of that. He's my idol. BEER GUTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 2nd, 2021 @ 12:13am CDT
Posted by Deadput on September 2nd, 2021 @ 3:29am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Did any rednecks ever complain that they were offensive, or is it like it is with most other stereotypes in that someone who has nothing to do with it gets offended due to being pretentious?
I've never heard anybody actually complain about the Wreckers after the film came out, their no Skids and Mudflap that's for sure, I heard more people talk about Drift then the Wreckers.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 2nd, 2021 @ 3:58am CDT
The ones who complain about the "race" stuff were the usual race-grifters who only did so for clout and attention. Like ALL race-grifters who make money and fame on hate.
It's infuriating to see these Tartufes still able to attract so much attention. Especially in current year.
Let's hope TF7 will follow in the Bee Movie footsteps and will avoid the gross clichés AND the political pitfalls. TF7 should be what it should be: pure mindless fun.
Posted by First-Aid on September 2nd, 2021 @ 9:24am CDT
Deadput wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Did any rednecks ever complain that they were offensive, or is it like it is with most other stereotypes in that someone who has nothing to do with it gets offended due to being pretentious?
I've never heard anybody actually complain about the Wreckers after the film came out, their no Skids and Mudflap that's for sure, I heard more people talk about Drift then the Wreckers.
WOw. Didn't realize it was going to cause this much discussion! I wish there was a "I'm being sarcastic and slightly cynical" emoji...sorry guys.
Actually, the main thing about rednecks is that they are so completely UNpretentious and really don't give a flying rat's patoote about what anyone thinks anyways, hence everyone's problem with them. All of Jeff Foxworthy's bits about rednecks are completely and utterly accurate and hilarious. "...you might be a redneck", the Redneck Fashion Tips, and Why Aliens Abduct Rednecks are absolutely tear-inducing...especially the last one! "Well, it kinda looked like a big booger..."
Posted by william-james88 on September 17th, 2021 @ 8:14am CDT
Gonna describe concept art now:
>Optimus-pretty much Bee movie design but sleeker, has lots of grey chrome parts on him now, looks sexy.
>Bumblebee-Complete redesign from Camaro Bee from the last one, it shows the doors up like in bayverse but it actually looks good, head is pretty much the same, colors are a little lighter, hard to describe but they show a little more car parts, wheels are shown, etc.
>Arcee-new design, G1 head like Bee movie but red, very feminine look overall
>Mirage-Take G1 Jazz body and reshape it into a Mirage like body, that's it. Head is G1 Mirage, has nose too.
>BW Megatron- literally what you expect but robot head has a mask on it. Also, color is rusty with some actuall purple going on but it's metallic and then green ish skin.
>Scourge- similar to Motormaster in his design but live action, has fire coming from his body, a fire goatee, head resembles G1 and has some spikes going on, implied to have a third form... Dragon?
>Hun Gurr-orange truck like vedhicle, transforms into a beast similar to a robot from a kids show, can't remember what it was like, I think from 2015. Reminded me of a armadillo robot mode wise, lots of car parts too.
>Cheetor-BW in live action, looks beautiful
>Airazor-just like Cheetor
>Primal-only Gorilla form was shown, has a big green maximal logo on his chest, very hairy and black
Posted by TulioDude on September 17th, 2021 @ 10:56am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 17th, 2021 @ 12:52pm CDT
TulioDude wrote:Some of these match the info we got from the Paramount event.
Yeah, that's how fake news works, they mix in stuff we know with stuff that is false or else it wouldnt be believable.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 17th, 2021 @ 2:45pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:TulioDude wrote:Some of these match the info we got from the Paramount event.
Yeah, that's how fake news works, they mix in stuff we know with stuff that is false or else it wouldnt be believable.
Regardless, things are sure to be awesome toy-wise at the very least.
Posted by TulioDude on September 18th, 2021 @ 7:45pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:TulioDude wrote:Some of these match the info we got from the Paramount event.
Yeah, that's how fake news works, they mix in stuff we know with stuff that is false or else it wouldnt be believable.
Regardless, things are sure to be awesome toy-wise at the very least.
I have not been able to get Studio Series Bumblebee Optimus Prime,so the idea of a upgraded version coming later is pretty cool!
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2021 @ 11:49pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 23rd, 2021 @ 10:55am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Steven Caple, Jr. posted this to Instagram on Tuesday:
Turns out he posted fan art.
Posted by william-james88 on October 4th, 2021 @ 8:22am CDT
Posted by LinaNui on October 4th, 2021 @ 8:28am CDT
william-james88 wrote:I don't want to cause for senseless alarms so I will not news it (it's also not actual news). But Michael Bay is on set of the new Transformers movie in Machu Pichu. and that is all
What's wrong with that? Maybe he will make this movie interesting so it's not as boring as BB movie was to me. Also he is just a producer, so I don't think he can interact with filming.
Posted by william-james88 on October 4th, 2021 @ 3:43pm CDT
LinaNui wrote:william-james88 wrote:I don't want to cause for senseless alarms so I will not news it (it's also not actual news). But Michael Bay is on set of the new Transformers movie in Machu Pichu. and that is all
What's wrong with that? Maybe he will make this movie interesting so it's not as boring as BB movie was to me. Also he is just a producer, so I don't think he can interact with filming.
He most definitely can, or else why would he even be on set in a foreign country with covid restructions?
Posted by Burn on October 4th, 2021 @ 9:42pm CDT
LinaNui wrote:william-james88 wrote:I don't want to cause for senseless alarms so I will not news it (it's also not actual news). But Michael Bay is on set of the new Transformers movie in Machu Pichu. and that is all
What's wrong with that? Maybe he will make this movie interesting so it's not as boring as BB movie was to me. Also he is just a producer, so I don't think he can interact with filming.
He can have input. He may even be helping with certain scenes that involve boom booms.
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 8:24am CDT
The images below come from instagram user @ramdeenstudios and the Transformers Peru Facebook Group.
Posted by That_Guy on October 6th, 2021 @ 11:51am CDT
Posted by LOSHII on October 6th, 2021 @ 12:06pm CDT
That_Guy wrote:I want to get psyched for this. My concern now, we were told Predacons....but I haven't heard a peep about them. Are they really keeping those guys more under wraps than anyone else?
Maybe they will be mostly CGI? We haven't seen anything of the maximals either... or maybe they just haven't started film for those scenes yet either way I am quite excited!
Posted by Autobot N on October 6th, 2021 @ 12:22pm CDT
They're probably going to be really minor characters since we already know that the Terrorcons are the main villains here.That_Guy wrote:I want to get psyched for this. My concern now, we were told Predacons....but I haven't heard a peep about them. Are they really keeping those guys more under wraps than anyone else?
Posted by First-Aid on October 6th, 2021 @ 12:38pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 12:49pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Anyone else notice the dearth of Autobot and Decepticon insginias on Scourge's grill? Like he takes their insignias after he destroys them. Very unique touch....I like it
Yeah, I wrote as such in the article. There is a maximal insignia there too.
It's not unique though, this would be at least the third time we had something like this. Michael Bay would do similar stuff like this in his movies.
That_Guy wrote:I want to get psyched for this. My concern now, we were told Predacons....but I haven't heard a peep about them. Are they really keeping those guys more under wraps than anyone else?
We heard as much about them as the Decepticons. But unlike the Decepticons, they aren't cars so you wouldn't even see their alt modes in set(which is really bad news for anyone hoping to see Decepticons). The Predacons will be all CGI if they show up anyways. While all 5 fractions will be in the film, the main ones are the autobots vs the Terrorcons helped by the maximals. But the main characters will be 2 humans, so there's time that must be spent with them too.
Posted by That_Guy on October 6th, 2021 @ 1:17pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 2:40pm CDT
For the Terrorcons we have Scourge, Nightbird and a an orange Truck.
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2021 @ 2:52pm CDT
Posted by Munkky on October 6th, 2021 @ 3:28pm CDT
If that Volkswagen van does turn out to be Wheeljack like many have speculated, I'd be fine with that. The Repairs decall on the side is fitting for Wheeljack's character, and while I kinda get where geewunners are coming from more now than I did in the late 2000's, I've always been OK with movie characters having different designs and vehicle modes from the originals as long as it isn't too far off. For example I'm fine with Ratchet being neon green because he's still a medical officer.
Posted by Trevman21 on October 6th, 2021 @ 3:30pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 6th, 2021 @ 4:10pm CDT
Trevman21 wrote:Michael Bay is an executive producer on the film, really nothing to worry about
If a Maximal dosent dry hump the main heroine's leg while farting in the middle of an explosions extravaganza, I'll be seriously disappointed.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 6th, 2021 @ 9:40pm CDT
Me neither. He should be in the director's chair over that guy.william-james88 wrote:I gotta say, seeing Michael Bay on set with the director for this movie is not sitting well with me
Posted by Tuned Agent on October 6th, 2021 @ 11:26pm CDT