Transformers: The Last Knight Better Look at "Megatron"

Deadput wrote:And from Bay's flickr it's Squeaks!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelbay/27759682151/

BERSEKAEL wrote:
maybe ?

padfoo wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:Firstly, has anyone noticed the shoe beneath Squeaks?

Second-off, I feel sorry for the people who have to make toys of this thing. It's going to be just like the Arcee triplets.

... You can stand on your own, Chromia, I believe in you...

RiddlerJ wrote:Sorry to be a Negative Nancy but can't help but think they dropped the ball by not giving us Unicron by now.

I saw this poster and thought, we had twenty years to have Unicron doing this to earth.

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Emerje wrote:A giant threat like Unicron would be the perfect villain for when they get around to doing a big Hasbro universe movie. It would definitely give them a cause to come together and fight against including ROM from deep space.

Emerje

Deadput wrote:

Emerje wrote:A giant threat like Unicron would be the perfect villain for when they get around to doing a big Hasbro universe movie. It would definitely give them a cause to come together and fight against including ROM from deep space.

Emerje

That would be good yes but if they bring him they better build him up because everyone including people who want Unicron are going to complain if he just shows up half arsed and then dies and never being brought up again.

kriksix wrote:eh. so Bumblebee will be able to talk so we need another cute bot that communicates in cute beeps and squeaks. initial dread, but I can kinda see it working with the girl. the premise of TF1 with Sam and Bee but younger, smaller, cuter. ok.

hoping also we have some Autobots with a bit more of a sense of honour and nobility this time. the Wreckers, the AOE bots and even Ironhide all seemed to find protecting innocent life forms an annoyance and a chore.

Kurona wrote:

kriksix wrote:eh. so Bumblebee will be able to talk so we need another cute bot that communicates in cute beeps and squeaks. initial dread, but I can kinda see it working with the girl. the premise of TF1 with Sam and Bee but younger, smaller, cuter. ok.

hoping also we have some Autobots with a bit more of a sense of honour and nobility this time. the Wreckers, the AOE bots and even Ironhide all seemed to find protecting innocent life forms an annoyance and a chore.

Oh don't worry, according to rumours Drift is back so you'll get all that packed into a terrible Japanese stereotype that I'm surprised I didn't see more people mad about.
Sorry, watched AOE yesterday so I'm a bit jaded

On the positive side, I am just realising what Squeaks and the young female protagonist means - that they're trying to appeal to a younger audience so it should be a bit more child-friendly and fun, and we'll actually have a main female protagonist who isn't just the most obvious horny teenager views incentive. So... it's progress.

kriksix wrote:

Kurona wrote:

kriksix wrote:eh. so Bumblebee will be able to talk so we need another cute bot that communicates in cute beeps and squeaks. initial dread, but I can kinda see it working with the girl. the premise of TF1 with Sam and Bee but younger, smaller, cuter. ok.

hoping also we have some Autobots with a bit more of a sense of honour and nobility this time. the Wreckers, the AOE bots and even Ironhide all seemed to find protecting innocent life forms an annoyance and a chore.

Oh don't worry, according to rumours Drift is back so you'll get all that packed into a terrible Japanese stereotype that I'm surprised I didn't see more people mad about.
Sorry, watched AOE yesterday so I'm a bit jaded

On the positive side, I am just realising what Squeaks and the young female protagonist means - that they're trying to appeal to a younger audience so it should be a bit more child-friendly and fun, and we'll actually have a main female protagonist who isn't just the most obvious horny teenager views incentive. So... it's progress.

ha yeah, agreed. Drift and Hound killing life forms in AOE simply because they were ugly or caught unawares is SO not the Autobot way. right..? well I can understand some Autobots being slightly deviant, but ALL of them except for Prime and Bee..? I wouldn't have minded the Japanese honour stereotype so much if Drift actually was honourable..

Kurona wrote:

kriksix wrote:eh. so Bumblebee will be able to talk so we need another cute bot that communicates in cute beeps and squeaks. initial dread, but I can kinda see it working with the girl. the premise of TF1 with Sam and Bee but younger, smaller, cuter. ok.

hoping also we have some Autobots with a bit more of a sense of honour and nobility this time. the Wreckers, the AOE bots and even Ironhide all seemed to find protecting innocent life forms an annoyance and a chore.

Oh don't worry, according to rumours Drift is back so you'll get all that packed into a terrible Japanese stereotype that I'm surprised I didn't see more people mad about.
Sorry, watched AOE yesterday so I'm a bit jaded

On the positive side, I am just realising what Squeaks and the young female protagonist means - that they're trying to appeal to a younger audience so it should be a bit more child-friendly and fun, and we'll actually have a main female protagonist who isn't just the most obvious horny teenager views incentive. So... it's progress.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:To be fair to the AoE bots though, they had been hunted down and exterminated, and those 5 were all that were left. I think that there would be good reason not to care for humanity when part of it killed their comrades.

Now other movies are down to the movie-verse being darker and less caring for collateral damage, but that's just this universe's deal.

SlyTF1 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:To be fair to the AoE bots though, they had been hunted down and exterminated, and those 5 were all that were left. I think that there would be good reason not to care for humanity when part of it killed their comrades.

Now other movies are down to the movie-verse being darker and less caring for collateral damage, but that's just this universe's deal.

They were the type of Autobots who would survive a situation like that. Everyone else was either too passive, or just caught off guard. These guys seemed like they would always have their guard up. There isn't a single new Autobot in AOE I don't like.

SlyTF1 wrote:So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.

No, it's how he was played. He was given an exaggerated accent (Ken Watanabe does not sound in real life quite like how Drift sounded), he used Japanese terms that Americans know but only used them out of their proper meaning because of how pop culture has constantly used those terms incorrectly, he presented himself as a well-behaved bot of honor yet kept doing lot of disrespectful and dishonorable things throughout the movie, he spoke proverbs for no reason other than his having a Japanese motif as said proverbs never fit the context of the situations in which he spoke them and which only incited ill reactions from his teammates (particularly Crosshairs)... Drift is a far cry from a respective representation of a Japanese Samurai character. Beast Wars Dinobot, or even the character-less Swordbot Samurai Team members from Transformers Go!, were far more accurate expressions of how an actual Samurai would be like.

Deadput wrote:Drift is hardly an offensive stereotype like seriously guys it's an accent get over the movies trying to be diverse with it's cast.


You guys always blow everything out of proportion with this franchise I can't even enjoy looking at the news anymore without getting annoyed with comments especially with those people trying too hard to make Bay look like a horrible person for not making some grand mind blowing movie about robots from space.

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Agreed, just because you can't, or don't recognize something that's a stereotype, doesn't mean it's not there... The movie's are full of caricature-like stereotypes: the twins, the wreckers, crosshairs... just because it may not bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't bother or offend others, and it is a problem that plague's these movies.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Agreed, just because you can't, or don't recognize something that's a stereotype, doesn't mean it's not there... The movie's are full of caricature-like stereotypes: the twins, the wreckers, crosshairs... just because it may not bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't bother or offend others, and it is a problem that plague's these movies.

People should stop being offended by everything. No one's threatening their lives. Why get mad?

Hellscream9999 wrote:You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Deadput wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Agreed, just because you can't, or don't recognize something that's a stereotype, doesn't mean it's not there... The movie's are full of caricature-like stereotypes: the twins, the wreckers, crosshairs... just because it may not bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't bother or offend others, and it is a problem that plague's these movies.

I guess I see where you guys are coming from I've always been an isolated/sheltered person so I don't understand things that I really should most of my knowledge comes from the internet and sometimes if I see people say things i myself don't understand or offend me then i make the comments that I do.

Guess you could say I'm offended by people being offended for things I either enjoy or feel it gets more hate then it should so if guys say that they are offensive stereotypes I guess I just have to take your word for it doesn't mean I agree of course but I won't try to change your minds.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Agreed, just because you can't, or don't recognize something that's a stereotype, doesn't mean it's not there... The movie's are full of caricature-like stereotypes: the twins, the wreckers, crosshairs... just because it may not bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't bother or offend others, and it is a problem that plague's these movies.

People should stop being offended by everything. No one's threatening their lives. Why get mad?

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

Delta Magnus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

Emerje wrote:You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

SlyTF1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

Delta Magnus wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

QFT. Myself I didn't have a problem with the Twins, mainly because I've got more pressing things to worry about than fictional characters being "offensive". Being offended is for the weak.

Deadput wrote:Hey guys I got some cool footage from Youtube that has Barricade, The Volkswagen truck and the Tow truck (in the end of the video where they are backing up).

I suspect they are backing up due to them meeting Megatron (who is rumored to be a jet) for the first time or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VET4_9Jbkqc

SlyTF1 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

QFT. Myself I didn't have a problem with the Twins, mainly because I've got more pressing things to worry about than fictional characters being "offensive". Being offended is for the weak.

Too true. These days, everyone just loves to be up in arms about everything. You can't say or do anything without at least a hundred people coming for your throat.

SillySpringer wrote:
Yeah I am so sick and tired of people constantly trying to be politically correct, and talking about "not hating", and then when someone disagrees with them about something, they freak out and want to murder you.

Anyway, That VW reminds me a lot of Mudflap or Skids. I am kinda wondering if it's possible that that could be one or both of the twins.

Deadput wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:
Yeah I am so sick and tired of people constantly trying to be politically correct, and talking about "not hating", and then when someone disagrees with them about something, they freak out and want to murder you.

Anyway, That VW reminds me a lot of Mudflap or Skids. I am kinda wondering if it's possible that that could be one or both of the twins.

Why would it be the Twins?


I'm pretty sure they will never come back and even if they did why would they be Decepticons?


I'm sure they are dead they were going to die in DOTM so lets just say they were either killed offscreen or were killed by Cemetery Wind.